How the CRE ignored the racial abuse of the English

Below is the correspondence I had with the Commission for Racial Equality (now incorporated in the Equality and Human Rights Commission  (
after I made a complaint of gross abuse of the English by the one-time Welsh
Language Board chairman John Elfed  Jones who wrote  in the Welsh  affairs magazine Barn in 2001 that the ‘English are like foot and mouth in Wales’. (  The CRE failed to act on mine and other complaints about this matter.

Elfed Jones is just one example of gross Anglophobia in Welsh people . Take Becca Brown who, also in 2001,  made her Anglophobia clear in Barn  by stating she hated the English or a well-known  Eisteddfod figure Eifion Lloyd Jones who  warned school headmasters about admitting non-Welsh speakers, (
In all cases the police did not rush to investigate or the CRE to condemn.  Compare that with the avidity with which politicians and the media  pursued the TV presenter Anne Robinson after she made a joke about the Welsh on her show  The Weakest Link. (

What happened to these people  after the story faded?  Were they cast into the outer darkness as racists by the politically correct elite?  Don’t be silly. Theirs is the “right” sort of racism, that is, the type approved of  by the politically correct. Elfed Jones is retired but rests comfortably  in Debretts  (,
Brown continues with her media work and the writing of novels (
and  Eifion Lloyd Jones is a Plaid Cymru
candidate (  One rule for the English and another for all the groups protected by political correctness: ethnic minorities, gays and women.

Here is my correspondence with the CRE:
9 August 2001

Mr Gurbux Singh


The Commission for Racial Equality

Elliott House

10/12 Allington Street

London SW1E SEH

(Tel: 0207/828/7022)

cc All national newspapers
Gerald Howarth MP

Dear Mr Singh,

Complaint of incitement to racial hatred

I enclose a copy of a cutting from the Daily Telegraph  dated 8/8/01 and  headed ‘English are like foot and mouth in Wales’. This complaint concerns the unambiguously racist
remarks of  John Elfed   Jones who claimed in the Welsh language magazine, Barn,  that  English migrants to Wales were a disease.

This  is  the type of language used by the Nazis.  The  Welsh  First Minister,  Rhodri Morgan, described Mr Jones remarks as  “…insane language to use. It’s absolutely inflammatory”.

Mr  Jones is man of some public standing in Wales.  He  is  a  former chief of HTV and Welsh Water,  has held office in  the  Welsh  Language Society and was involved in the  creation  of  the Welsh Assembly. He is a member of Plaid Cwmru.  Thus, his  remarks  have public significance.  Not only that,  but  they  were made by Mr Jones in the full knowledge that   previously   violence  has  been used against English incomers  and  their
property  and that feelings on the subject run high   amongst  the Welsh in certain parts of Wales.   Hence,  there is every   reason  for  believing that the incitement will not  fall  on  deaf ears.

I ask you to condemn Mr Jones’ racist remarks publicly in the  strongest  possible
terms and  to make a  complaint  to  the  police against Mr Jones of gross incitement
to racial  hatred   against the English.

In your reply to this letter, please explain why the CRE  did   not  act  immediately to condemn the remarks as soon  as  the  story broke.

Yours sincerely,

Robert Henderson






CARDIFF CF10 3AG                CAERDYDD CF10 3AG

TEL: 029 2072 9200              FFON: 029 2072 9200

FAX: 029 2072 9220              FFACS: 029 2072 9220

10th September 2001

Dear Mr Henderson

Thank you for your letter to Gurbux Singh,  the Chair of the Commission for Racial
Equality,  dated 9th August, in which you kindly  enclosed a copy of a cutting from
the Daily Telegraph about comments made by John Elfed Jones.  Please accept
my apologies for the  delay in replying  to your letter, but we are understaffed in the Cardiff office at present – a situation which should be rectified  by Christmas.

Although  the  remarks made by John Elfed Jones were  inflammatory and unwarranted,  we did not act immediately to condemn the remarks  since comments  such as these fall
out of the scope of our jurisdiction (the Race Relations Act). However, I believe the universal condemnation by all  those  involved in Welsh matters was a message to
Mr  Elfed Jones that  such  language was unhelpful in dealing with   important issues, such  as  the survival of the Welsh language and culture,  which  is  a matter  of
concern for all citizens in Wales.  Indeed,  the  National Assembly and the Welsh language
Board made the necessary representation to Mr Elfed Jones to temper his  contribution
to the debate in a  more constructive way,  and he has since apologised for
using the “foot  and mouth disease”  as a  metaphor – a sentiment which was welcomed
by  CRE Wales.

Recent  weeks  have witnessed a sharp increase in the number  of  media reports
surrounding comments made by high-profile  individuals  about the  survival  of  the
Welsh language in rural  parts  of Wales,  most recently by the journalist Beca Brown.  While we fully  sympathise with the  problems  of local people,  and would welcome  fair  proposals  to strengthen  the  use  of  the  Welsh  language  in  these   areas,  the  inflammatory language used,  on occasion, was unhelpful in developing a constructive  debate  about this very important   issue.  Though  these comments,  as previously mentioned,  did not fall into our jurisdiction we did offer advice to those who expressed  real concern. Subsequently, as with any other enquiry or complaint which falls
outside our  powers, we  directed  members  of  the public  who  were  worried
about  these comments  to  the  relevant  appropriate  bodies,  such  as  the  Press Complaints Commission, political party  contacts or the police.

All citizens in Wales are of equal status and that is enshrined in  the Government of Wales Act and the Human Rights Act.  All make a  valuable contribution to the political,  economic,  and cultural development  of Wales. CRE Wales will continue to advocate this  sentiment to all those concerned.

I  hope  this  letter  goes some way to  answering  your  query.

Yours sincerely

Dr Mashuq Ally

Head of CRE Wales

14 Sept 2001

Dr Mashuq Ally

Head of CRE Wales

Capital Tower
(14 floor)

Greyfriars Road

Cardiff CF 10 3AG
cc Gerald Howarth MP

Dear Mr Ally,

I  have  your  letter of 10 Sept.  You  say  that  Mr  Jones’   comments fell outside the scope of your jurisdiction,  namely the Race Relations Act.  Section 70 of the RRA states:

A person commits an offence if-

(a)   he   publishes  or   distributes   written  matter   which is threatening, abusive or  insulting;


(b) he uses in any public place or at  any  public   meeting   words which   are   threatening, abusive or insulting,   in  a case where having regard to all the  circumstances,   hatred  is
likely to be stirred up  against  any  racial  group   in  Great  Britain  by the  matter  or  words in   question.

Mr Jones’ comments were clearly of a nature to  incite racial hatred  against the English.  They were threatening,  abusive and  insulting.   They were made  in circumstances which  are  already racially tense.  In your letter your accept that they  were  inflammatory and  unwarranted. Please  explain  to  me  exactly   how   they   did they  not   fall  within   your  jurisdiction?

I  would  also point out that the CRE as a matter  of  common  practice  speaks out against racist language and  behaviour  regardless of its  powers in a particular case.  Why did  you  not immediately do so in this instance?

Your early reply please.

Yours sincerely,

Robert Henderson

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7 Responses to How the CRE ignored the racial abuse of the English

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  2. steve says:

    Go Away English Man, get out of england you dont belong here racist scum

  3. The Englishman says:

    Unfortunately they acted correctly – The English now fall outside the R.R.A. – a position which was established after the Devolution Acts of 1998 when the British denied the English their rightful political recognition. Only when the English get that recognition will they be able to legally challenge such blatant racism and discrimination.

  4. efgd says:

    It does seem strange to me that we still allow ourselves to get worked up over “words”, the adage, “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me”, is something most Brits are good at. We do not need to worry about racist or even sexist remarks because we are the dominant majority. We used such remarks against others and there was, in the past, no recall against such remarks. It is when those remarks become a discriminatory physical action that we start to complain, again the tables have been turned, as we are now facing the same kind of remarks which did and could lead to physical discrimination and hostility.

    Time for both the equalities and political correctnesses of behaviour laws to be either abolished, with the envision of, not so much ‘discriminating’ against someone or a people, which is permitted in the former but not in the latter, but as a ‘distinguishing’ of our choices as to who we relate to, which should be permitted in both the former and the latter.

    In a civilised society, manners, good will, correct civil and civic etiquette, has been part of such society; I consider The UK, Britain and England to be of that nature. Of course I do not mean everyone was, or is, sweet and cheerful, nice and kind, polite and totally well mannered, but in public there was, and is, seen an etiquette to behave by {double standards as it may have been, and in truth will always be in some form of other}, which was, and is, adhered to by and of joint a unspoken, or in some cases spoken, agreement between most people. I believe that is still the case. The number of public discriminating outbursts are minimal to say the least, I have not heard or seen swathes of people using such discriminatory language in public; behind closed doors is another matter – as some fanatical organisations, groups and associations of peoples have induced others to act out hostilities against others.

    If the public sphere is changing to be seen to allow one group to be discriminate without recourse to the same law, the law as it stands has to be implemented with fairness, as we all have a right in law to be treated as equals, then the law has to be abolished or changed; if the law enforcers fail to act correctly or with undue attention to one group or person over another group or person, then they themselves are to be blamed and rep-reminded. Common sense and a grown up attitude is, or should be, part of how both the law is enforced and in how the civilian population should adhere to the law. If the law itself is at fault, or biased towards another that allows discrimination to be used by one person or group, but not towards another person or group, then it should be either abolished or amended accordingly.

    Back to the subject of this blog, as the comment by “The Englishman” states, the law in this case was not being broken. It does, therefore, indeed seem to me, that we need to stop and take a good long look at the equalities and political correctness laws that we adhere by, and either insist that they are implemented fairly and in the manner the law was established, or be abolished.

    • IMarcher says:

      efgd, perhaps the ‘equalities’ laws and political correctness do need to be revised, but until then all ethnic groups should be treated equally according to the law – which patently the CRE did not. The CRE discriminated on the basis of ethnic origin.

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  6. Lord Lindley says:

    Has anyone else noticed that the heads of the CRE at both offices are Paki’s? How odd that they aren’t interested in others racially abusing English white indiginous people.

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